No.
No means: Let’s see if you will be sad if I reject you.
If yes, then it means no.
If no, then it means very little.
No.
No means: Let’s see if you will be sad if I reject you.
If yes, then it means no.
If no, then it means very little.
It doesn’t look like it. I’d be restless the week after. I don’t feel that it makes any sense at all.
A guy needs to be emotionally independent in order to be hot to his girl even in a committed relationship.
So: she can emotionally depend on him. But he must never depend on her – or lose his desirability.
This is because: Her dependence does not affect her desirability. His dependence, by contrast, would kill his desirability.
Where is the equality?
If I am to be independent, then I demand to be free.
I will accept any girl’s, and multiple girls’, monogamous fixation on me. But I also understand that these beautiful female emotions depend on my insistence on my own sexual freedom.
A woman choosing a man is much like me choosing a bottle of wine. While I appreciate good wine, I cannot judge a bottle’s quality from the label. At a loss for any substantial criterion by which to evaluate the many bottles on the shelves, I take one that looks appealing – despite the fact that the look of the bottle is ultimately inessential to me.
The most important thing I need to know is the price of the bottle. If I look at the price tag and it says $4.99, I am going to put the bottle back on the shelf right away. It could be a great wine. Strictly speaking, I don’t know otherwise. But given market dynamics, the low price is evidence against high quality. So it is in fact rational to put the bottle back on the shelf. Likewise, if the price tag says $49, I will usually also put the bottle back. I am primarily looking for a bottle within a particular price range.
A woman choosing a man (for sex or more) is in a similar situation. She appreciates a good man and can tell the difference once she knows him. But she cannot discern the qualities she is looking for at first sight. She may initially judge by looks, but this is mainly because looks are the only obvious feature. Ultimately looks are not essential.
The most important thing she needs to know is the “price” of the man: his status. The main immediate indicators of a man’s price tag are in his body language. One important element of this is the posture of chest and head. The degree to which his back is upright, chest pushed out, and chin pointing slightly down – as though an invisible string were pulling him up by the neck – provides an analog signal of the social importance that a man claims for himself. Chin up and looking at someone “down your nose” is merely an aggressive gesture. Chest out, chin down, by contrast, is looking at the scene “down your chest”. This stakes a claim to status.
Whether we understand this rationally or not, we all understand it intuitively. This is the reason why it is difficult for a low-status player (Keith Johnstone, 1979) to take on high-status postures in public. It feels wrong, it feels arrogant. A low-status player senses that he is not supposed to claim so much status. He will vaguely fear retaliation. The fear is not unfounded: claiming high status even implicitly through body language can prompt explicit aggressive responses from women as well as from men. This makes the status signal reliable as a source of information: only those who can defend their claim can maintain it. Claiming high status by posture and other body language cues turns women’s heads in a way that looks alone never do.
Women are sexually interested in men whom they perceive to be of higher status than themselves. This is a remarkable fact about female sexuality which is not widely accepted in mainstream culture, although it is too much in evidence to be denied entirely. In movies and advertisements, for example, women are typically portrayed as having more masculine sexual preferences: for good looks. Their sexual advances toward men of higher status are typically portrayed as a conscious scheme for some benefit (e.g. a promotion) rather than as genuine sexual interest. It appears that it is easier for our culture to accept that a woman would have sex without enjoying it so as to manipulate a powerful man to her advantage (whoring as a liberated woman’s conscious choice for her own benefit) than that she is sexually attracted to his power (whoring as an inherent feature of female sexuality). Political correctness demands that any powerful and attractive male character also be good looking, so as not to threaten the view of female sexuality as physically based, just like male sexuality.
So what is the price that sells the goods? How far should he push his chest out and chin down? I will buy the bottle that is neither too cheap nor too expensive. And a woman will choose the man that she feels to have somewhat higher status than herself. A desirable man is glamorous for his higher status. But it has been argued that perfection or excessive status is less glamorous for being completely out of reach. It is the one a league above yet within reach that most stokes her desire.
This is why seduction critically requires a correct assessment of her perception of her social value relative to yours. A less attractive woman will respond to compliments and self-deprecation. The hottest girl at a party may need to be swiftly pushed off her pedestal with a playful neg so she doesn’t look down on you. Similarly, if you already have exceedingly high status in a social environment, then you may need to lower the price a little so as not to scare her away. And if you have lower status in the present scene, you need to choose a hefty (yet defensible!) price and exhibit a tag that she can’t overlook.
It is important to note that “having low status” here is not a statement about you or your place in the world. It is merely a statement about her perception of you in the social scene, in which she has observed you.
Reference
Keith Johnstone (1979). Impro – Improvisation and the theatre. Routledge, New York.
When a double date sits down on a bench, there are 12 possible boy-girl arrangements. However, it turns out that all we need to remember is that sex-interlaced is best and that the center couple has the best chance to connect and get excited (b2 g1-b1 g2). However, if there are to be two hookups, then the girl for the higher priority one should sit outside (b2-g2 b1-g1).
Let me explain why…
The bench could be straight or around a corner. To a first approximation, the Euclidean distance between two people may reflect and shape the current attraction dynamic: Those sitting closer may be or become more attracted to each other.
The 12 possible boy-girl arrangements (not counting symmetrical redundant arrangements) are as follows:
Sex blocks
(1) b1 b2 g1 g2
(2) b2 b1 g1 g2
(3) b1 b2 g2 g1
(4) b2 b1 g2 g1
Sex-interlaced
(5) b1 g1 b2 g2
(6) b2 g1 b1 g2
(7) b1 g2 b2 g1
(8) b2 g2 b1 g1
Girl core
(9) b1 g1 g2 b2
(10) b2 g1 g2 b1
Boy core
(11) g1 b1 b2 g2
(12) g2 b1 b2 g1
So what is the ideal arrangement?
It depends on the goals. Often the goal is for one of the boys (b1) is to seduce one of the girls (g1), but the other boy (b2) has no or less definite plans with the other girl (g2).
In that case, obviously, b1 and g1 should sit next to each other. But this leaves several possible arrangements.
If the idea is to give b1 a chance at isolation with g1, then the best arrangement is: g1 b1 b2 g2 (boy core). However, isolation is not a group setting. If isolation really is the goal, then it might be preferable for the boys to split, each with his girl.
If a group interaction is to be maintained and the b1-g1 hookup is the only priority, then b1 and g1 should sit in the middle: this makes them the center of attention, boosting their value and excitement.
This leaves us with two arrangements:
(a) sex block: b2 b1 g1 g2
(b) sex-interlaced: g2 b1 g1 b2
Which of the two is better?
In (a) b2 and g2 are giving their same-sex friends support from the sidelines. In (b) b1 is the hot guy between two girls and g1 is the hot girl between two guys. (b) boosts b1’s value in g1’s eyes more, especially if g2 and b1 connect reasonably (judgment-copying, jealousy). (b) also boosts g1’s excitement (or “buying temperature”) more, especially if b2 is a good and selfless wingman: provoking g1 a little to attract her in a controlled manner and then deferring to b1 very clearly and repeatedly, thus boosting b1’s value and redirecting the heat he created in g1 to b1. This, of course, takes a wingman b2 of considerable generosity.
So (b) is ideal is the main goal is for b1 to seduce g1. However, in either of the arrangements b2 is not in a good position to seduce g2.
To summarize, desirable arrangements are in bold below, with the goal that each optimizes noted after the arrangement. The non-bold arrangements are never ideal. Without loss of generality, we assume that b1 is to hook up with g1, and b2 with g2 and that the b1-g1 hookup has higher priority.
Sex blocks (only inner couple connects with support from same-sex friends on the sidelines: never ideal)
(1) b1 b2 g1 g2
(2) b2 b1 g1 g2
(3) b1 b2 g2 g1
(4) b2 b1 g2 g1
Sex-interlaced (most sexually dynamic, inner couple boosted in value and excitement, outer couple can’t connect well, good for inner-couple seduction or double seduction between the right couple and the left couple)
(5) b1 g1 b2 g2 (g1 has too much power)
(6) b2 g1-b1 g2 (best if b1-g1 is the only goal)
(7) b1 g2 b2 g1
(8) b2-g2 b1-g1 (best if b1-g1 is highest priority, but b2-g2 is a secondary priority)
Girl core (girls are the center of attention, boys lose value)
(9) b1 g1 g2 b2
(10) b2 g1 g2 b1
Boy core (isolation strategy: each boy gets to isolate the girl next to him)
(11) g1 b1 b2 g2
(12) g2 b1 b2 g1
Thus, all we need to remember is that sex-interlaced is best and that the center couple has the best chance to connect and get excited (b2 g1-b1 g2), but if there are to be two hookups, then the girl for the higher priority one should sit outside (b2-g2 b1-g1).
What matters more: how great you are in your strongest moments, or how well you cope with your weakest moments? To women, I suspect, the latter may matter more than is generally acknowledged.
A major factor that makes us sexually attractive to women is the stability and security we provide. Physical protection is part of this, but in the absence of physical threats it is a minor part. The degree to which we exude a sense of emotional security, stability, and happiness is a major factor. But a security guard (of the physical or emotional variety) is no good if he is not reliable. Therefore women will judge us, in part, by our weakest moments and how we cope with them.
Do we break down and get drawn into an abyss? Or do we handle mishaps with a sense of humor and recover gracefully?
A man’s appeal to women, then, cannot be determined unless we see him stumble and recover. This may account for the magic of men whose magic isn’t obvious at all in normal situations. Importantly, it would explain why women have a deep need to test us mercilessly.
It also suggests a few practical considerations: Instead of regarding our weakest moments as a lost cause and simply waiting for them to pass, we should work on better ways of coping and recovery. This may be more important than further heightening our optimal performance!
Moreover, if we are judged by the grace of our recovery, then a facade of perfect strength may not be the optimal way of impressing a woman. Instead, stumbling may be key. To stumble and recover gracefully may be sexier than not to stumble at all.
As long as we have not stumbled, she does not know how we would handle it. And she will not be able to resist trying to get us to stumble. The wise man, therefore, welcomes the obstacle that allows him to stumble – credibly – so that he might regain his poise – incredibly. This method may preempt and thus reduce her shit testing.
We need to develop a sense of the drama of stumbling and recovery.
A few days ago, I arrived late at a party and felt I needed a beer first before loosening up and socializing. So I went straight for the fridge to get three beers for me and my two guy friends. As I opened the third bottle on the slippery counter, I knocked over both of the other bottles. I thought I had made quite a fool of myself as I groped for tissues and cleaned up the mess. Interestingly, I found myself surrounded by three girls chatting me up as I finished the job. Go figure.
http://www.last.fm/music/Standfast/_/Devil
Devil’s in my bed
And now he’s begging me to spread my legs
Please come again, son
Don’t you understand
You were not meant to end up in despair
I can’t help myself
I thought it was enough to
To make his gun go off and shoot me right through
I’m eating all I can now
Straight off the devil’s hand/?
And what a thing to do
Lust can blind your eyes
And when you run your fingers down my spine
And when you run your fingers down my spine
Clearly took the bait
And now I give more than I care to take
Must be a price to pay
I thought it was enough to
To make his gun go off and shoot me right through
I’m eating all I can now
Straight off the devil’s hand
And what a thing to do
Oh yeah, hell yeah,
Oh yea-eah-eah, Oh no-ho-ho
Oh yeah, hell yeah,
Oh yea-eah-eah, Oh no-ho-ho
[repeat]
(The devil doesn’t beg. But the song is interesting anyway. Let me know if you understand the missing and ambiguous parts. I couldn’t find the lyrics on the web elsewhere.)
Sex to a woman is the continuation of conflict by other means.
“And everywhere you came and left,
You came in the name of love and,
Left a wake of happiness and tenderness,
And sweet conflict, sweet conflict.”– “Everywhere” by Bran Van 3000
“Sweet conflict” – a woman speaking, quite clearly.